tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3808484.post110782920193198326..comments2023-10-28T07:26:09.479+01:00Comments on Les said, the better: controversy - Hacking HumansCharles Céleste Hutchinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18123138871494922485noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3808484.post-1107895124959354862005-02-08T20:38:00.000+00:002005-02-08T20:38:00.000+00:00I'm using SM terminology around consent because it...I'm using SM terminology around consent because it seems to apply. You might feel pain, but you consent knowing that you can stop it at any time.<br /><br />Hypothetically speaking, if you could blast people with very loud sound and somehow arrange it so that their hearing would not be damaged (this is now in sci-fi land, because if it's loud enough to cause pain, it's certainly damaging your hearing), I think that would be ok if they knew ahead of time that they might experience sudden pain. "People who have heart conditions should not participate." Roller coasters do scary things all the time. There used to be an exhibit at the exploratorium where you could put your fingers on two metal plates and your "friend" could crank a generator to give you a mild shock. ouch.<br /><br />another thing I saw at the exploratorium, which was very interesting, was a handle that was wrapped in heat conductive material. there were two starands next to each other, one hot and one cold. So if you you looked at the top of the handle, hot and cold material were alternating. If you grabbed the handle, hot and cold would be right next to each other, setting off the nerve endings in the same part of your hand. when you feel that, you experience it as pain. it hurts! but it's not actually harming you, except for the stress caused by the sensation of pain.<br /><br />they had a little sign explaining what it was and that it was supposed to hurt. a user could chose to try it or not try it. that museum is aimed at kids. If it's ok to give kids warning that an activity will cause them the sensation of pain and then they can proceed or not, it must be ok to do the same thing with adults.<br /><br />i've sometimes wondered about incorporating this non-damaging pain into something. It's like that box in Dune that the main character must stick his hand into that hurts like crazy but does not harm his hand. What does it mean to ask people to endure pain for the sake of nothing? This is outside the scope of this project, however.Charles Céleste Hutchinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18123138871494922485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3808484.post-1107889214373560162005-02-08T19:00:00.000+00:002005-02-08T19:00:00.000+00:00But, but, but, Tammy is a vegetarian and she *does...But, but, but, Tammy is a vegetarian and she *doesn't* wear leather shoes. QED (What did I just prove?)Crinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06509614055243227248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3808484.post-1107844392630969122005-02-08T06:33:00.000+00:002005-02-08T06:33:00.000+00:00a really neat live artist named doran george was v...a really neat live artist named doran george was visiting rpi today. some of his pieces are quite intense and have occassionally been very disturbing to witnesses. so, one thing he talked about was having audience members sign actual legal contracts.<br /><br />it turns out, in fact, that a ticket (say to a free wesleyan new music event) is a legally binding contract entailing consent to attend the event and sometimes certain other things (which may be specified in small print on the back of the ticket), but doran wanted to make this explicit in his work while simultaneously being more communicative about what visitors might experience by specifying in the contract what would happen in the artwork.<br /><br />i don't think what you're proposing is immoral at all. i think it is radical, but in a very particular sort of subtly critical way. plenty of people have done pieces (especially performance, endurance, and live artists) that are much creepier, more dangerous, or more manipulative.<br /><br />i do think that some people would be interested in participating in a piece that might hurt them. giving people the opportunity to explicitly contract in to the experience might help clear up any issues about whether folks were knowingly making such a choice, and might also help clarify the issues of the piece in the minds of participants.Jesse Pearlman Karlsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14750444513283953530noreply@blogger.com