There are people who are not normal, who have a confusion in their head, and they think they're a man even though they look like a woman.

SAVAGE: Portland, Oregon, [caller], KXL, you're on The Savage Nation.

CALLER: My wife was sitting on the couch with our 7-year-old daughter when Etheridge got up and did her piece thanking her wife and four kids, and our daughter looked over at our -- at Mom and said: "Was that a man?" And how do we answer our kids when we're forced to [sic] -- this homosexuality upon us?

SAVAGE: I will tell you how you answer it: You say there are people who are sexually confused, who think that they're men when they're women. They're not normal. Normal people are not like that. Normal people are like Mommy and Daddy. Mommy and Daddy are normal. There are people who are not normal, who have a confusion in their head, and they think they're a man even though they look like a woman. That's what you have to say to them otherwise the child will grow up confused.

Previously on the same broadcast:

ETHERIDGE: I have to thank my incredible wife, Tammy, and our four children, Becky and Bailey and Johnnie Rose and Miller, and everyone --

SAVAGE: Turn it off. Get her off my show. I don't care what her name is. I don't like a woman married to a woman. It makes me want to puke. How's that? I want to vomit when I hear it. I think it's child abuse. That's my opinion -- one man's opinion. If it's illegal, tell me it's illegal to have an opinion in America. Maybe I can be excommunicated for having an opinion.

I want to puke when I hear about a woman married to a woman raising children because, frankly, I think that it's child abuse to do that to children without their permission. What does a child know? Ask them when they're 16 whether they want to be raised by two lesbians or two men. What are the two men doing behind the other wall? You think the children don't hear it?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200702270015

It's fair to wonder why I am reprinting hateful garbage on my blog. Before I answer that, I'm going to add even more hateful garbage:

"The only thought that pops in ur head when u think 'feminist' is a fat, manly, tall lesbian who wants to take control over everything...." http://forum.armenianclub.com/archive/index.php/t-1386.html

" I don’t want this blog to be about the fact that I’m NOT one of those angry, hairy, lesbian feminists." http://happyfeminist.typepad.com/happyfeminist/2006/01/index.html

"Maybe she had some notion that feminists are all lesbians, have hairy legs, and hate men." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/22/20500/1686

"Despite how 'feminists' have been portrayed, most of us don’t hate men. We aren’t hairy, unwashed, bosom sagging, shrill harpies who want to destroy families." http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/woman/entries/2006/10/12/is_third_wave_f.html

Well, that was fun

Not that there's anything wrong with being a hairy-legged lesbian.

What's the common thread here? Gender normativity. Lesbians want to be men. Feminist are lesbians and want to be men. None of these people are conforming enough to gender stereotypes. I'm not going to go dig up comments on the other side of this, but it wouldn't be hard to find examples of men getting called "fags" regardless of their sexual orientation, but because the speaker feels they insufficiently conform to gender stereotypes. Men are men and women are women and people who seeks to redefine or expand those roles clearly want to change their sex and that's a bad thing.

What started this

I heard the Michael Savage rant and I winced. Yeah, there are lesbian-IDed folks who do want to be men. Augh, it's all true! But then, I thought of the lavender menace. Some feminists really are lesbians. Augh, it's all true!

The problem isn't that some feminists are lesbians or that some lesbians are ftm or anything like that. The problem is the insistence that there's something wrong with this. The insistence that gender normativity is right and good and natural and all transgressors, no matter how small or minor their transgression are unnatural and bad and wrong.

Lest this all be too obvious to justify the mad amount of quoted text, I want to go on to address radfeminists. (Doesn't it sound like it should be the "fun" kind of feminism what with "rad" and all. It's not.) Some straight women thought the way to address the charge that all feminists were lesbians was to throw them out of their groups. The lavender menace had to go. Not that there was anything wrong with lesbians, just their experiences and socialization was so different, they should respect the space needed for straight women and butt out. This is why lesbians are not allowed access into the Michigan Women's Music Festival.

The same reasoning is used to exclude mtfs from women's spaces right now. When you classify trans people as their assigned-at-birth sex, you're agreeing with Mr Savage. Because you are denying the legitimacy of transition. Saying that mtfs are men who want to be women is awfully similar to saying that lesbians want to be men. In both cases, the possibility of successful, intention transition is dismissed. In both cases, transition is condemned. In both cases, gender is seen as essential. And really, when Michael Savage and radfeminists are agreeing on something, there's is something going woefully wrong. This guy makes Rush Limbaugh look moderate. I used to joke that if Reagan said that oxygen was important for breathing, I would start demanding definite evidence for the oxygen thing, because he's wrong so much of the time. I can't agree w/ him on anything. Double that for Savage.